cabin farm

crown51 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:42 pm

Hi all , spoke to my best mates dad the other day , ive known john thirty five years and he`s always an interesting bloke to talk to , and he`s also lived around here all his life , i found out the other day that so has his dad , grandad , great grandad etc . now johns 70 so that means they been around these parts quite a while . mainly around norcross , bispham area , working on there own farms and over the years on other peoples farms . he mentioned whiteholme farm , barlows farm etc but he also mentioned that his grandmother or great grandmother worked on cabin farm which was out by pennysone rock off norbreck/bispham area , he new about pennystone cause he said him and his mate used to go down there and climb up on the metal rings that were on the rock when he was about ten . he said his gran or great gran had left school at 9 to go and work on the farm which he thought would have been around 1890ish . she worked there for many years . she lived till she was 96 and had seven kids but always going back to work on the farm . can anybody shed any light on cabin farm cause there doesnt seem to be any mention of it anywhere . unless ive missed it which is quite possible cause i probably searched for it after one or two shandys !! sorry to rattle on a bit , cheers all regards andy

wyrearchaeology · **Posted:** Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:52 pm

Andy,

It seems unlikely that John used to climb Pennystone as a kid. Even back in Thornber's day Pennystone was virtually submerged at low tide. In the 1950's it would have been completely inaccessible. What John was probably climbing was Red Bank, which is often confused for Pennystone. (It might even have been Carlin...it's hard to tell.)

Can't say as we've ever heard of Cabin Farm. (There's no mention of the place in the Blackpool Street Directory of 1866.) There was a Fanny Hall, and a Bank Farm...both along that stretch. Might Cabin Farm have been connected in some way to Uncle Tom's?

crown51 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:56 pm

hi all . i thought that brian , so did any of the other rocks , red bank or christ my memorys getting worse !!!! the other one you mentioned that i read about 10 seconds ago !! did either of them have have metal rings on them ? also checked the church records before at bispham all hallows church and theres a cabin farm mentioned on there a buriel occured on 2nd jan 1900 abode `cabin farm bispham ` so its around somewhere . gotta go i`ll take another look tomorrow . cheers all regards andy

wyrearchaeology · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:34 pm

Andy,

Quote:

"Did either of them have have metal rings on them?"

Don't know. Probably not. The Pennystone/Red Bank/Singleton Thorpe/Carlin stuff all gets very confusing...especially after a few glasses of Glen Fiddich, which was probably the state Thornber was in when he wrote his 'History of Blackpool', and is pretty much the state I'm in now.

I'll keep an eye open (or rather I'll get Michelle to keep an eye open) for any mentions of Cabin Farm for you, and report back if we find anything out.

crown51 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:27 pm

hi all , the rocks off bispham , carlin , red bank , pennystone .im confused mind you thats not difficult especially after a can or 5 or 6 !!! . i was at shore point the other morning low tide looking south/south west theres one still clearly visible which ones that ? do we know 100% which is which ? are there any maps/charts from years ago which list all three so we know 100% that 1 carlin is at the top of that rd , 2 red bank is at the top of this road etc etc . next anybody know how far out pennystone is ? at say low tide . i was on a local sea angling site the other day and there was a warning to inshore boat anglers saying `watch out for pennystone rock at low tide you dont want to run into that ` . do they know for certain that its pennystone or could it be one of the others ?. is pennystone visible from the air (frank ?) . ive checked on google earth and theres not much really , you can see an odd dark shape or two but not enough to be sure . john my mates dad says he used to swing on the iron works on pennystone rock in the early 50s yet its suposed to have disappeared beneath the waves back in thornbers day . well something dont add up cause john is a totally trustworthy source with a vast local knowledge his family has been round here for at least 150 years and probably a lot longer . he`s an author with several books behind him ( though not local history books) but he knows the importance of detail . how would he know about the rings on pennystone if it wasnt pennystone he was climbing on when he was a kid ?? still confused HELP !!!! . cheers all regards andy.

wyrearchaeology · **Posted:** Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:26 am

Andy,

To be honest I get confused about the names of the rocks myself and wouldn't hazard a guess as to which was which. Pennystone seems to cause more confusion than most, some old timers (even in Victorian times) disagreeing as to its whereabouts with other old timers, and various different versions as to what was where seem to have been handed down through the generations. I'll leave this one open to debate, but I personally wouldn't want to place any bets as to how the original names were distributed.

crown51 · **Posted:** Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:12 pm

hi all . Brian thanks for the reply . is your reply a general consensus of opinion ? does nobody know which is which ? are the rocks not marked on any sea chart of blackpool ? ive only ever seen the one cleveleys/fleetwood when we were discussing portus setantiorum . are there know older charts where there marked on ? i must admit i searched no end of old blackpool maps yesterday and found next to nowt . the only thing i could find was on melanies site in maps . mario maps shows `carling stone` off the top of red bank rd/ madison/sandhurst sort of area . which ones are still visible ? theres at least one cause as i said earlier i saw it last week . i must admit ive never been down to have a proper look . surely there must be someone with the local knowledge who knows for sure which is which !!! yours still very confused andy

wyrearchaeology · **Posted:** Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:41 am

Andy,

Michelle informs me that Carlin is the only one of the 'Norbreck and Bispham' rocks she's ever seen mentioned on any charts.

It's generally assumed that Red Bank is the big one off Red Bank road, but, despite people's assurances to the contrary that they know the exact location of various protuberances (especially Pennystone), these are usually just names associated with certain locations that have been handed down through the generations and are at variance with each other. Or to put it another way (one that doesn't sound as though I've eaten a lexicon for breakfast), nobody really knows for certain...they just think they do, because that's what they were told by their parents etc. who also didn't actually know.

With regards to Cabin Farm, we've done some research and found out a bit more. We're just double-checking and collating the info at the moment. More to be posted at some future date...

frankjsmith · **Posted:** Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:28 pm

Andy,
The only thing which could be of relevance on the admiralty map on the PS topic, which I will repost here, is two areas, NW boulders and S boulders, which could indicate....er..boulders

Also, if I'm right in thinking the road on the chart from Thornton to Cleveleys is Redbank Road, There are a few high points off the coast adjacent to it. I have never noticed individual rocks while flying over, but I don't know if I've caught the lowest tides, but I will make an effort to catch one of the low spring tides next year.
The next two photos are of Rossall scar, which as can be seen on the chart, is abeam the golf course. There does appear to be some substantial rocks on there in places.

crown51 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:54 am

hi all . thanks for that Frank much appreciated , the road between thornton and cleveleys is victoria road , which was called ramper road in days gone by . dont think red bank road is on that map frank its a little further south so if you have the next section down that would be great .thanks brian for looking into cabin farm thats also much appreciated and i cant wait for the results . cheers all regards andy

History Hunter · **Joined:** Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:22 pm **Posts:** 84

If anybody is interested they are discussing it at the Poulton-le-Fylde HCS AGM this Friday...

http://www.poulton-le-fylde-hcs.co.uk/h ... ciety.html

fyldecoaster · **Joined:** Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:50 pm **Posts:** 8

Crown51,
Just to answer your original question, about the location of Cabin Farm, it stood to the east of Uncle Tom’s Cabin (a statement true for both the present pub and the original one). It is shown on the 1891 25 inch OS map and overlaying a current map in “Mario” shows the farmhouse to have been just east of Holmfield Road between Shaftesbury and Knowle Avenues (Blackpool).
The farmhouse developed from cottages on the site as the old Uncle Tom’s Cabin became established on the Bispham Cliffs from the 1850s. By the end of the century, it was threatened by the development of the Gynn Estate and it was demolished about the same time as Uncle Tom’s (January 1908).

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