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 Post subject: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 8:45 am 
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I thought it might be interesting to introduce a new thread featuring photos that I have been unable to identify.
It is possible that some of the buildings may still exist, but someone has definitely “gone and forgotten” to write on what each photo represents.

If you think you know where one was taken, please try to confirm that you are right, otherwise I might have to spend some time checking out wild guesses.

The first is a photo of a church, which was among some of the Blackpool area. Although it might be expected to have been taken in the Fylde, it may be somewhere else.
I haven’t seen a lych gate identical to the one in the photo. Unexpectedly, for an Edwardian rural scene, the old gentleman on it is black.

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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 4:32 pm 
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Location: Thornton
Hi Frank,

I am Just checking if the picture is All Hallows Church Bispham, Because it has a lynch gate too. oh and i hear the dig at yours is going well.

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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:28 pm 
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Location: just outside the fort
John,
The dig's going well, but note the topic is fyldecoaster's, not mine.

Freckleton church has a narrow tower like that but it's too modern to have had the gate.

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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:32 pm 
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It is definitely not Bispham Church. Position of Lych Gate and steps in background rule this out for sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:43 pm 
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Looking at this photo again I am convinced that the coloured gentleman is talking on his mobile phone!!


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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:32 am 
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Well, let’s hope that it’s a 7g time-portal phone, so that he can log-in and tell us where he is/was.

This detail below suggests that he was smoking a pipe. Notice also the old stone wall surrounding the graveyard, which means that it is most likely away from the Fylde Coast, where brick would probably have been used.

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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 3:27 pm 
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Here is photo number 2. I don't recall where it came from.

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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 8:14 am 
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No luck so far, but here is number 3. At least it may elicit one or two humorous comments.

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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:54 am 
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I think the black guy, in the Bispham photo, is blacked up to either represent a sweep, or is in fact a sweep attending a wedding as a good luck thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 4:38 pm 
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Terry,
I couldn’t disagree with you more about the gentleman in photo no 1. His features look to be African, so no need for him to have blacked-up. He appears to be an old man who is dressed quiet smartly and there are no sweep’s brushes or signs of a wedding in the photo. Furthermore, it is certainly not Bispham Parish Church.


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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:42 pm 
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I stand corrected on both counts, but the black guy's complexion seems very shiny to me...doesn't look natural also there is a cart just in the picture though which might have had sweeps paraphernalia in it. The wedding could be going on in the church too...strange picture,don't you think? My presumption was that there is a service going on in the church and both the boy and the black guy are waiting for everyone to come out...why else would a photographer be there if there's not something going on in the church? And whatever it is, if a photographer is there it makes it more likely to be a wedding rather than a funeral. It's a puzzling picture.


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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
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Photo number 3 is more puzzling and perhaps I should speculate about that.

Googling “The Blue Moon Tavern” just seems to bring up numerous references to a bar opened in Seattle in 1934.

On the face of it, the photo was taken much earlier, but the sign looks to be makeshift and could have been put up for some village event. Perhaps the people in it are deliberately wearing old-fashioned clothes for the time it was taken and are trying to look rustic.

I copied it from a photo lent to me many years ago and I don’t remember the context, other than at the time I assumed that it was somewhere in the Fylde.


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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:15 pm 
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In Catherine Rothwell's book 'Poulton, Thornton and Bispham, there is a Bay Horse inn in Thornton. But then again, there are quite a few Bay Horse pubs.


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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:56 pm 
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Kelly’s Lancashire Directory of 1898 lists no less than 38 pubs called the Bay Horse, so plenty to choose from then. The one at Thornton differs from the pub in photo no 3, particularly in its setting.


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 Post subject: Re: Gone and Forgotten
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:33 am 
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I meant photo no 2, of course. Here is a list of Bay Horse pubs in Lanacashire in 1898, in case anyone fancies a pub crawl. There might be a few OCR errors. The photo does look to be earlier, though, perhaps c1870.

Bay Horse, Geo. Armistead, 58 St. James st. Burnley
Bay Horse, Thomas Astin, Worsthorne, Burnley
Bay Horse, Fred Baron, Baxenden, Accrington
Bay Horse, George Barrett, 341 Halifax road, Rochdale
Bay Horse, John Wm. Brown, 18 Church et, Accrington
Bay Horse, John Dawson, Cross stone, Todmorden
Bay Horse, Ambrose Donovan, 66 Parker street, Chorley
Bay Horse, Jacob Duckworth, Pleasington, Blackburn
Bay Horse, Peter Elwood, Rishton, Blackburn
Bay Horse, D. Fenton, Church st .Poulton-le-Fylde, Preston.
Bay Horse inn, Robert Hampson, Parr lane, Common lane, Unsworth, Manchester
Bay Horse, J. Hindley, 41 Torrington st. Hopwood,Heywd
Bay Horse, John Hy. Kay, 207 Stand la. Radcliffe, Mnchstr
Bay Horse, Joseph Kershaw, Dulesgate, Todmorden
Bay 'Horse, Robert Kidd, 1 Salford bridge, Blackburn
Bay Horse, John Knight, Ireleth, Askam S.0
Bay Horse, D. Law, Helmshore rd. Haslingden,Manchester
Bay Horse, Mrs. Ellen Lawrenson, Thornton, Preston.
Bay Horse, John T. Marsh, 16 Manchester road, Higher Ince, Wigan
Bay Horse, Richard Mayor, Buxton, Morley
Bay Horse, Jonas Moore, Rough Lee Booth, Burnley
Bay Horse, George. Munro & CO. 37 Deansgate, Bolton
Bay Horse, Thomas Oldham, 282 North rd. Preston
Bay Horse, William J. Painter, Warrington road, Ashton-in-Makerfield, Newton-le-Willows
Bay Horse, George Pilkington, Heath Charnock, Chorley
Bay Horse, James Postlethwaite, Ellel, Lancaster
Bay Horse, John Procter, Canal foot, Ulverston
Bay Horse, James Danford, Higher Walton, Preston
Bay Horse, Jas. Ramsbotham, Whittle-le-Woods, Morley
Bay Horse, Christopher James Rigby, 226 Union road, Oswaldtwistle, Accrington
Bay Horse, William Sefton, Osbaldeston, Blackburn
Bay Horse, Joseph Shillcock, 50 Winwick st. Warrington.
Bay Horse, Greenwood Starkie, Fence, Burnley
Bay Horse, John Taylor, Leyland, Preston
Bay Horse, Joseph Walker, Arkholme, Kirkby Lansdale
Bay Horse, W. Walker, Woodhouses, Ashton-under-Lyne
Bay Horse, William Westhead, 112 Whaley, Wigan
Bay Horse & Tramway hotel, 0. Scholes. 6 Cooper st. Bury


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