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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:38 pm 
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I do have a photo from the last wreck trek, though its unscanned. The posts are about 1.8-2 metres high - judging by the man stood near them. I no longer have a scanner, so I will have to scan down the library sometime this week

Nonetheless, you might want to look at this webpage

http://collections.lancsmuseums.gov.uk/ ... hp?irn=259


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That's a bit of a sore point with me since I've had to defend the (top) photo of the Lower Lighthouse - www.enation.co.uk/fleetwoodlighthouses.htm - three times; twice against individuals...


Not me...I can instantly recognise all of my photographs because my thumb's invariably in the bottom corner.

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If you want to have a guess at my identity, send me a PM.


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I would argue that these are foundations for the Rossall Point Light


The remains of Rossall Point Light are still visible as you round Rossall Point. That is, the remains of one of the versions of Rossall Point Light are still visible as you round Rossall Point. I know that an earlier version stood on the beach close by the boating lake (all traces now gone) and I seem to recall that this itself was a rebuild of an even earlier model. (I think. I could be wrong about that.)

Not sure where the very original Rossall Point Light stood, so you could well be right.

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FW, Thanks for the info and that link with the photos, and well spotted that feature on Yates map, but, if thats the structure on the photos it's a long way off the tip of king scar, so I'm doubting that explanation now. Also, the distance between the two piles seems to be greater than the diameter of the Rossall point light in the photo.

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I don't know if these help but I've got some poor quality pics of the 1845/7 OS map. I focused more on the land. I've added a link as the pics need to be very large to see them clearly.

http://contactthornton.web.officelive.c ... forum.aspx


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Cheers for them Melanie. (Although, I'm still none the wiser.)

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 Post subject: King Scar and the posts
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frankjsmith wrote:
FW, Thanks for the info and that link with the photos, and well spotted that feature on Yates map, but, if thats the structure on the photos it's a long way off the tip of king scar, so I'm doubting that explanation now. Also, the distance between the two piles seems to be greater than the diameter of the Rossall point light in the photo.

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I do admit that the photos in Rothwell's books look a lot nearer to the beach that these near King Scar, but it does report that they were rebuilt several times. So they may have been rebuilt further out.

Also those mounds look roughly symmetrical and they are not that far apart when on the ground.

Hmmmm, ....

The "foundations" if they are that are piles of stones (at least on the top), and at least in my estimate more that 20 feet in circumference, which Rothwell claims was the cirumference of the light. I would argue that these are foundations since if you look at each pile the posts are roughly in the centre of each - the posts on the left are not as high, but on the right they are clearly posts.

Hmmm....

Anyone fancy a walk out there sometime - tides and weather permitting? I can supply the camera


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FW,

Bit busy with a certain archaeological site at the moment. (Besides, I'd need to stock up on a lot of Ready Brek to tackle a walk like that.) Somebody else I know was suggesting a jaunt out there themselves some time back. Can't remember who it was now. If I remember I'll give 'em a bell and let you know.

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Would love to amble out to have a good stickybeak at them but might be a long-ish walk from here.
Whatever they were the foundations of stones were substantial enough to withstand the elements for quite some time so I'd imagine the circumference would have been larger?
Is there a channel of some kind in between the two mounds or could there have been one that is now silted up?


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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
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I have just found this article on the Fleetwood Grammar School website, fgsonline, which describes an expedition onto north wharf in the sixties, made by two teenagers from the school. The position and description of the wreck, being in two mounds and surrounded by blocks of concrete, makes me think it's the subject in the photos here. Another thing is the mound of stones they describe, which sounds very similar to the pebble bar in the photo on the Sandbanks topic.
Many thanks to Terry at fgsonline for permission to reproduce the article. I would recommend a look at the website. there are some excellent photos of locally found Roman coins and a good article on the Romans by Terry.
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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
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Frank,

It does remarkably similar, albeit with fifty years tidal activity scouring away the majority of the original scene.

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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
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I realise this is not particularly relevant, but when I read it I made a connection with Over Wyre, so here it is. I've just finished reading a Biography of Julius Caesar which suggested that one of the many reasons he was interested in Britain was as a source of freshwater pearls, which apparently he was very into. When I read that I immediately thought of the large freshwater mussels we used to find in ponds in the Preesall/ Knott End area, not a million miles from the findspot of the Hackensall Hoard. Was there a connection with Freshwater pearling in the area and Roman interest (monetary) in them?


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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
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Sorry for dredging up an old thread (my first post too!) but with this year's Wyre Light walk coming up I remembered seeing these pillars back in 2008, and was really curious about what they were.

I couldn't find any mention of them at the time, so it's been interesting to read through this thread... especially with the aerial shots.

Anyway, here's a couple of close-ups from the 2008 walk:

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If anyone wants a closer look, they can be viewed full-size (4000+ pixels) on Flickr here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aportraitd ... otostream/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/aportraitd ... otostream/

Really glad I found this thread - not knowing anything about these has been annoying me for 2 years now! It's a real shame the Wreck Walk doesn't head over to King Scar anymore - I was looking forward to taking another look.


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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:48 am 
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Pete,

Excellent. Stunning photos. Extremely dramatic and artistic (which isn't something you find very often on this board). Cheers muchly for them.

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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
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do you have a lat/long for them


Steve,
No grid position I'm afraid but spotted them again at September's lowest tide. The're the ones below the spit on the lower right of the photo.

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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
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Last Tuesday we came across this outcrop on the northern edge of North Wharf by King Scar, just uncovered by the lowest tide. Am I just seeing what I want to see, or do they realy look too regular in size and shape to be rocks :? :?


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Earlier this year I was flying over the sandbanks with Gordon Heald, who, when I pointed out the pile of rocks said, "That's the wreck of a cement barge". I wasn't convinced, but on my latest flight we got this photo, which clearly shows some structure. Mystery solved!

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