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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:39 am 
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When i read about Portus Setantiorum the Missing Port, most sites say it was at the tip of the Wyre at Fleetwood!
sorry but that is total Rubbish! why! well i do a lot of research using many forms of programs, one i use online is a simple sea level site - http://flood.firetree.net/ i have worked out using known Roman Ports such as Heronbridge at Chester that the sea level is right if you set the above site to 7m,
The Romans built their Ports inland and not directly on the coast, they where like rats up a drainpipe, follow a river inland and you will find Roman activity and possibly a small fort, and look outs stations dotted all along the river,
any name starting with STA like Stanna, and there are several of those around the west coast, will have a sea connection, even up in Scotland where its just Annan, i am working on a Stanna nr Parbold right now, with Standish, connections, a small fort on the Mersey at STAnlow has recently been found, the word seems to mean ( a place to stop, the end of a journey) similar to Station, or Stay, now before i go on, let me just say, i believe there was not just one port called Setantiorum, i believe the term was used to describe an area of water and ports the the Setantii tribe was in abundance, the Settantii being the Fishermen, and part of the Brigantii domain, the Farmers and hunters, there would have been small fishing communities all around the west coast and with the area being almost bog like for miles, the Romans would not have gone anywhere near it for themselves, But they would have traded with the local fishermen who would have been used to seeing foreign ships, The Roman soldiers staple diet was a fish glupe i cannot pronounce or would like to taste or smell, so i conclude by saying i do think there was a main Roman/Setantii port, and i do think its possible Poulton could have been it, now i am going to attach some pictures i hope someone can give me some background local information on as i am not local, first is an area on the peninsular marked with a green dot, i think could have been a good site for a port at 7m, , a google shot, followed by a lidar shot of the same site, and finally a lidar shot of small square a sent you a google shot of some years back. enjoy pulling this lot apart. bob


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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:54 pm 
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There is a fantastic quayside at Wardleys Creek which is not always easy to spot. Big ships berthed there. The romantic (excuse the pun) in me would like to think that Portus Setantiorum is indeed at Wardleys Creek. Right under our collective noses. See my pics of the quayside in previous posts.


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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:45 pm 
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Bob, I am intrigued by the lidar map you have attached, and I would like to see what an expert on these thinks about the features. The Fylde has been subject to a thorough investigation of the lidar images and to date I am not aware of anything of archaeological importance in this area, which is, I’m sorry to say, not near the green dot on your map, but a few miles south at Mythop, (you can see Marton windmill in the bottom left corner of the google map). Interestingly, it does seem to have some regular features on, and is close to Staining, which fits in with your ideas on places beginning with STA, but I would like to see what a place name expert makes of your theory. The lidar shot of Stannah does not seem to have appeared.
As for the site of Portus Setantiorum, no one can say any theory on a subject is ‘rubbish’ until the positive identification of a likely site is made and such a statement tends to discredit the authors integrity.

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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:24 am 
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frankjsmith wrote:
Bob, I am intrigued by the lidar map you have attached, and I would like to see what an expert on these thinks about the features. As for the site of Portus Setantiorum, no one can say any theory on a subject is ‘rubbish’ until the positive identification of a likely site is made and such a statement tends to discredit the authors integrity.


Yes i should not have used the word rubbish, as i am not University material i can only apologise for my lack of expertise with the English Language, and a yes you are quite right again about the green dot, i did put it in the wrong place in my haste, again i apologise, but i will not apologise for my passion with Lancashire's history, this next statement may upset some people, but it has to be said! What is an Expert? you say let an expert look at it? what qualification do you need to be an expert on lidar images? it is somewhat a new science, so there will be no book written in the past about it, we are still learning, Maybe Dr Sarah Parcak could be contacted for her opinion,
At this time i have been directed to an area close to Kirkham which has some very interesting ground features, so sorry for the late reply to your input,
I have now formed a facebook page called Portus Setantiorum talk, it is my first attempt so please go easy on me, i have started to upload other pictures onto the page, i am sure the picture i could not upload is on there.
Please feel free to get stuck in and say your peace on my page, that's what it is for.
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 Post subject: Re: Portus Setantiorum
PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:36 pm 
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Bob,
I’ve had a look at your facebook page and I see there’s a lot of interesting stuff, but it’s all over the place! I can’t post on there as I won’t register with them, so I’ll reply here. You say the Romans wouldn’t have staged a port on the prevailing coast, but be somewhere more inland and sheltered: I agree, but if your map copied below is correct, wouldn’t a more likely place for Portus Setantiorum be where the red dot is, as there is an identified Roman road to th east of the Wyre going north through Stalmine ( Higate Lane) as I’ve indicated. Where would that be going??

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