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 Post subject: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:51 pm 
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Hi all,
my 1st post and a few questions that im hoping you could possibly help with. 2 years ago we moved into the old Shard farm on Shard bridge. Im trying to find any old photos or history on the place, i do remember it during the 80's as being very run down and occupied by a family called Cardwell (same as mine but no relation). it must of been a large farm as the buildings covered a large area. im guessing it was built
1850's?.
Also does anybody know of the fate awaitng the farm in Carleton on the bad corner of Poulton rd. i worked there for the brothers who owned it Jim & Frank Hargreaves after school, milking cows during early 1980's. Ive heard it was left to charity and its in a terrible state of repair. i guess it will get demolished, another piece of local history about to vanish.

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:56 pm 
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Hi Russell,

I'll ask around for you. Unfortunately I'm snowed under with a million and one matters at the moment, but I'll put the feelers out for photographs and snippets of history. You never know what might turn up.

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:29 am 
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many thanks Brian. look forward to hearing from you.
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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:10 am 
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It might be a long wait, Russ. (Ahem...)

Now then...let me get my bearings. Shard Farm is the one between Mains Lane and Shard Bridge, isn't it...the one on the left hand side of the road as you head towards Hambleton, where the car boot sales used to be held?

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:21 am 
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Hi Brian, yes thats the one! it was purchased in the 80's derelict by Owen Oyston. judging by its location and footprint of old buildings must of been very large. would the local library possible hold any documentation regards past owners etc. im not very experienced in searching for that kind of info. also the field we have still has the old ridge and furrow plough lines in it.
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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:02 pm 
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Russ,

The ridge and furrows might be very old, possibly mediaeval or earlier...it depends on how wide they are. I do know that the area where the farmhouse stands was originally known as Means, a Saxon word referring to common or jointly owned ground. The name of Means, of course, was adopted after the Norman Conquest for 'Means Hall'...nowadays Mains Hall.

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
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With regards the furrows Brian they are roughly 12 to 14ft peak to peak with a hollow of about 14'' or more in depth between them. Its the only field ive seen locally with them, but im sure theres more?. Im keen eyed and i havent seen any. Makes you wonder why its been left untouched for so long though, theres only about an acre and a half of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:03 pm 
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Russ,

They sound like mediaeval furrows to me. The reason why they're still visible whilst others aren't is probably down to modern ploughing in the surrounding fields erasing the earlier traces (...he says, as though he knows what he's talking about).

Have you tried a metal detector on them, yet? (You never know...) If you haven't got a detector, I'm sure I could interest somebody who has. You're only a few fields away from the Romano/British cuttings at Aldwath there...and considering the age of the area, who knows what might lurk beneath the soil?

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
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I've just had a word with Michelle and she reckons that she can vaguely recall something about a small village or hamlet (now long since missing, of course) where your farm now stands. Don't quote her on that, though. She might be getting confused with somewhere else. She's going to check back over some of her research as soon as she gets the chance. Whatever the case, there's definitely history in your particular section of landscape.

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
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Brian,

i have got a metal detector! but my first attempt was in the field and i did find acouple of horse shoes and some modern rubbish. but i got the impression that metal detecting isnt as easy as it first appears. im open to offers if anyone wants to come and have a go and educate me?

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
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Russ,

I'll throw the suggestion open at next week's meeting. I wouldn't mind having a snoop around...er...I mean taking a look at the potential for archaeology in the landscape, myself. Frank...if you're reading this...any chance of an aerial photograph?

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
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Brian,
How's this one.
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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
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Frank,

Excellent and cheers for that.

Russ,

Which bits are yours?

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
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Brian

theres two houses there, ours is the one ot the left. my two white vans are in the garden. the field next to that is ours on the left, you can just make out the furrows. around two acres. your welcome to have a nosey! the fields overgrown at the moment im afraid. and mowing it is a nightmare due to the furrows.

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 Post subject: Re: Shard bridge farm and old farm in Carleton
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:00 pm 
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wyrearchaeology wrote:
I've just had a word with Michelle and she reckons that she can vaguely recall something about a small village or hamlet (now long since missing, of course) where your farm now stands.


This is an extract from a map I can't remember the date of, but it predates Shard Bridge being constructed so it's before 1864. Unfortunately, the area that the farm occupies is right on the edge of the map, but there's sufficient to show that there was indeed a cluster of buildings in that area.

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I have a few more old maps, so I'll look through those an see what I can find.

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